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<text id=89TT2360>
<title>
Sep. 11, 1989: Interview:Tadeusz Mazowiecki
</title>
<history>
TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1989
Sep. 11, 1989 The Lonely War:Drugs
</history>
<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
WORLD, Page 35
"People Are Impatient"
</hdr><body>
<p>Poland's new Prime Minister talks about Western aid, Communism
and Mikhail Gorbachev
</p>
<p>By John Borrell, Tadeusz Kucharski, Tadeusz Mazowiecki
</p>
<p> In his first major interview with a Western news
organization since taking office two weeks ago, Polish Prime
Minister Tadeusz Mazowiecki met for an hour last week with
TIME's Eastern Europe bureau chief, John Borrell, and Warsaw
reporter Tadeusz Kucharski. In a typical display of informality,
Mazowiecki did not request written questions in advance and had
no aides present during the meeting, which took place in his
sparsely furnished offices in downtown Warsaw. Excerpts:
</p>
<p> Q. As a member of Solidarity, you were jailed by the
government for a year in 1982. Did you ever think it would come
to this, that you would be sitting here as Prime Minister of
Poland?
</p>
<p> A. (Chuckle.) No, I never imagined it, not even a week
before the decision was made. And certainly not when I was
interned.
</p>
<p> Q. What is your biggest concern now that you are in power?
</p>
<p> A. In order to succeed, the government needs time. But
people are very impatient with the lack of commodities; they are
impatient with high prices. People expect quick results.
</p>
<p> Q. Is the West giving Poland enough money?
</p>
<p> A. Immediate assistance is what we badly need right now.
And quick assistance is twice as valuable. First of all, we want
speedy relief in our debt-servicing obligations, then economic
aid for particular projects that would help our economy develop.
We think the West understands that if we do not succeed, the
world will also have failed at something that is important. But
we are not just after emergency aid. We are also looking for
long-lasting economic ties. Even if a partnership today between
the West and Poland is not an equal one, tomorrow it will turn
out to be profitable for the West.
</p>
<p> Q. Now that Solidarity is in power, are splits within the
organization growing?
</p>
<p> A. For a long time in Poland, authorities preached a false
doctrine of unanimity, and the opposition suppressed its
divisions for fear of weakening itself. Now we have to proceed
toward normality. Obviously there are different interest groups
inside Solidarity, and from this great movement will surely
emerge new political parties. This should run its natural
course.
</p>
<p> Q. So it's not a bad thing for new political parties to
emerge?
</p>
<p> A. Moving toward a natural state of affairs is always a
good thing.
</p>
<p> Q. Do you think Lech Walesa wants to run Poland from the
sidelines?
</p>
<p> A. I have a high regard for Lech Walesa's political
instincts and maturity and for his ability to take the
initiative. We have always had good cooperation. We have always
respected each other's point of view. I think this relationship
will continue.
</p>
<p> Q. Is Communism finished in Poland?
</p>
<p> A. (A deep chuckle, then a long pause.) The transformation
now taking place would not have been possible if it were not
for the support of Communist Party members. They deserve credit
for initiating the round-table talks last year. These
reform-minded party members paid a high price for this in last
June's parliamentary elections. It so happens that sometimes in
politics and history, the ones who pay are not the ones who are
at fault. I told President Wojciech Jaruzelski last week that
the success of my government will depend on his help. I don't
think Communism will disappear, but I believe it will undergo
a transformation.
</p>
<p> Q. Will Communism play an important role in Poland's
future?
</p>
<p> A. Please, I am the Prime Minister of a government. I can
answer your questions as a Prime Minister but not as an
ideological prophet. Only by joint effort can we steer Poland
into the future. No one undertaking this task has suicide on his
mind. He must have hope in the future.
</p>
<p> Q. Do you admire Mikhail Gorbachev?
</p>
<p> A. Yes, yes. I consider him a very courageous and
outstanding statesman who does great things.
</p>
<p> Q. Would Poland's experiment in democracy have been
impossible without him?
</p>
<p> A. Yes. He is a very important factor.
</p>
<p> Q. You used to be the editor of Solidarity's newspaper. Is
politics harder than journalism?
</p>
<p> A. (Chuckle.) What do you think?
</p>
<p> Q. I am sorry, but I have never been a Prime Minister.
</p>
<p> A. But everyone carries a general's baton in his knapsack.
As an editor, I wasn't fishing for sensational stories. I was
always aware of my paper's political responsibilities, so I
don't feel uncomfortable changing jobs. Of course it is
different being editor of a 500,000-circulation newspaper and
being a Prime Minister. At first I felt as if a great rock were
put on my shoulders. Someone wrote that during the confirmation
vote, I looked like a condemned man waiting for his sentence to
be passed. When I looked at myself on TV, I saw a stranger. Only
now am I beginning to identify myself with the image that
appears on TV.
</p>
<p> Q. If you had only one wish, what would it be? That you
would get more sleep, spend more time with your family, that
Poland would receive billions of dollars in aid?
</p>
<p> A. Yes, of course I would like that (chuckling).
</p>
<p> Q. The last one?
</p>
<p> A. I would have two wishes. The last one you mentioned,
and that I could go to the forest and spend the whole day in the
woods.
</p>
<p> Q. To think?
</p>
<p> A. To relax.
</p>
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